biden to have him represent our country. this was a great moment for this president to be -- if he wanted to reach across the aisle to ask paul ryan or newt gingrich to represent the catholics of america. >> i don't understand what chris mathews was talking about there. i would like to make a quick comment on the other video. but timothy dolan, cardinal from new york, for people who think public life does not have a religious element or element of faith, they turn to cardinal dolan. he is interested in public service, engaging with politicians, he's friendly with paul ryan. he was the archbishop in milwaukee. he spoke at both conventions this past year. he was doubted as a papal -- he was even touted as a papal contender. i think with francis, larry is right, it doesn't make since to compare him to pennsylvania's bob casey. it is a wonderful moment for catholics worldwide to celebrate the new pope, he chose the name francis and to make it about american politics, no thanks. >> i want to remember that. he said i was right. >>